Tremolo Springs

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Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:07 pm

Hi,
It's very hard to find #9 and #10 springs for the tremolo system on the Parker Fly. You can still get #11 and #12 springs on Ebay or Reverb. Does anyone have any experience with string and spring gauges higher than 10.
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R.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by vjmanzo » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:39 pm

Hi @rjsa00; I’ve tried in the past using an 11 spring with a set of 10s and it does not calibrate properly; the whole vibrato system really is designed so well, but, alas, you can’t reliably get the intended full-flooring balance with a mismatched spring to string-gauge set. You can probably get away with bend-down only (as per the manual), and, of course, if you don’t use the vibrato system, you can certainly block the bridge.


FWIW—we are working on a solution to make more springs, which you can subscribe to in this post.
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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:47 am

That's what I thought @vjmanzo Flys are fine-tune machines. I don't want to modify the nut in order to use 11s or 12s strings. So I'll keep the tremolo locked or bend-down only while waiting for your solution.
Keep up the good work and thanks,
R.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by Wheresthedug » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:59 pm

Afraid I haven't tried it. I bought a used Fly last year and immediately snapped the spring. I managed to find a replacement 10 on Reverb from Gman.Music but I've just checked and they don't seem to have any listed now, Have you tried contacting them and asking just in case?

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:02 pm

I haven't contacted them directly but I check Ebay and Reverb everyday. There is a guy on Ebay, guitarstable, that says he purchased the entire remaining inventory from USM when they went out of business and only have a few #11 and #12 left.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by Wheresthedug » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:34 am

That’s a bummer. It’s a long shot but probably still worth an email to both Gman and wiguitar just incase.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:17 am

i’ll try it @Wheresthedug, because i need a spring badly. i can’t use the tremolo on the floating position. Every time I pull up the bar, the spring rattles and falls.
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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by vjmanzo » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:46 am

@rjsa00, if your spring is falling out, you may find this guide helpful.

Even with a mismatched spring, it shouldn’t fall out; you should be able to at least get bend-down mode to work.
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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:46 am

Bend-down works perfectly, the problem is with the floating position bend-up. Thanks for the link, that guide was very informative but it didn't work. Do you think there is a problem with the tremolo system or just the spring?

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by vjmanzo » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:20 am

Unfortunately, if you don’t have the spring that is rated for the string gauge you’re using then floating bridge mode will never balance as intended.
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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:49 am

Do you know the springs' specifications? I read they have the same thickness but different width. How do you know what type of spring is without the gauge number written on it?
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Post by vjmanzo » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:28 am

Springs varied in size through the years, and most springs are labeled with a painted or stamped number on one side while some other springs have no number written.

Unfortunately, if there’s no number on the spring, there is no way of telling for certain what the spring rating is just by looking at it.
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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by Laughinglarry » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:59 am

I intend to take a micrometer to known 9 and 10 springs, and will report my findings here when I get the chance to do that.

I have 2 springs that I BOUGHT as 9's, but they aren't stamped, and I haven't been willing to try them. But since I do have stamped ones I'm hoping the micrometer gives consistent readings. If anyone else has done this, please report your findings here, so I have some verification.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by vjmanzo » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:12 am

Hi @Laughinglarry, as I mentioned: we’re working on understanding more about the springs now, but, with regard to verifying what you have:

9 springs are .022 thick C1095 annealed steel
10 springs are .024 thick C1095 annealed steel
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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by hapsong » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:32 pm

rjsa00 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:07 pm
Hi,
It's very hard to find #9 and #10 springs for the tremolo system on the Parker Fly. You can still get #11 and #12 springs on Ebay or Reverb. Does anyone have any experience with string and spring gauges higher than 10.
Thanks,
R.
I just purchased a 10 spring from this guy for $30 - a bit pricey but I needed it - he shipped it right out.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 531248228/

also - I contacted Gman Music on Reverb and he said he thought he had some Parker 10 springs in his warehouse that he's sell for $19.55 - I'm waiting to hear back from him..

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:10 am

Thanks for the info. Sadly, springs are valued for their scarcity.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by rjsa00 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:25 pm

Hi,
Finally, I scored a #9 spring on Craigslist the other day. I installed it on my Parker Fly right away. Now the spring falls or rattles only if it's in the groove closest to the back of the guitar. I'm fine with that, but the tremolo bar feels a little stiff. I borrowed a #12 spring from a friend and it does the same thing, I only changed strings for this gauge.
The tremolo system looks fine and works perfectly on the bend down position. The problem is only when it's on the floating position.
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R.

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Re: Tremolo Springs

Post by vjmanzo » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:58 pm

Congrats on finding a 9 spring; yes, the different grooves in the three-ridge spring plate control how stiff the bar feels.

It should not rattle; have you set it up properly so that there’s an appropriate amount of tension on the spring? This post may help. A spring that’s mismatched with a string gushed will never work properly in floating mode.
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